God is a community – WHAT???

An argument I hear every now and again for the notion of the trinity is that the only way God can truly be a relationship being, someone we can relate with, he has to be a relationship being. Therefore, from eternity, he was always in relationship, the three members of the Godhead eternally communing with one another. It’s through the love that those three persons or people have together that we can know that God can love us.

I last heard of this concept from a lecture on Youtube by Ravi Zaacharias and Abdu Murray about “Life’s Four Big Questions.” In the 1 hour 24 minute mark of the video, Abdu Murray says the following:

From a christian perspective, God is a community. There is one God, who’s one being, but three in his personhood: father, son, holy spirit; eternally distinct personhoods who share one nature. That easy to grasp? No! Is it comprehensible by finite human beings? No, but it doesn’t go against our logic. So God exists, in the christian mindset, as a community; he defines what love and relationship is. He eternally exists in a state of relationship … And you’re [a human] the effect. Should the cause reflect something about [the effect]? … In the christian worldview, the cause, who is a triune being, who exists in a relationship, actually explains why you, the effect, want it [relationship, love] so badly.

But there was also the time, just over 9 years ago when some other christian at a lecture at a university I visited was using a similar argument. This is how I recorded ih in a previous article I wrote.

If God is love, who did he love if he is the only true god who has ever existed from before time. He had nobody to love when he alone existed. It is not acceptable to say that he had the POTENTIAL to love; if he WAS love (or in your eyes COULD love) he must have been able to exercise that love otherwise it does not really exist. In my view there HAD to be at least two gods for this to take place. I could go more into this but you will see what I am driving at. (There is a further reason why there were three Gods)”(note: The trinitarian tried to correct himself and said it was “three persons in one God” and not “three Gods”) (“Trinity Explained” Reconsidered – http://www.leavingjesus.net/TC/TorahCreation/Tanakh/trinityreconsidered.html)

These are some examples that show that God must be more than one.

A little critical and biblical thinking should dispel this Trinitarian myth.

The Jewish Bible says God is alone,

Surely God [singular Heb., el] is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God. (Isaiah 45:14)

… and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God (singular Heb., el), and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:21,22)

Due to the trinitarian erroneous argument about the plurality of the Hebrew word, elohim, it’s important to highlight the singleness and singular nature of these verse.

The only number associated with God is simply one. [Christians don’t have this God because they include the number “three.”]

Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? (Malachi 2:10, compare with Deuteronomy 6:4)

It says he’s unlike anything.

To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. (Isaiah 40:25)

He doesn’t need to be in a relationship in order for him to create the craving for relationship within the creation any more than he needs to be tempted in order to create in humans the ability to be tempted. Humans have the ability to disobey God and to be foolish. Must God have had the ability to disobey himself and become a fool???

Abdu Murray asked if the cause should reflect the effect? The other speaker said claimed (without basis) that if God was love, then he must have been able to exercise that love. The question that should be asked of both questions is this: WHY? In the case of God, who by definition is transcendent above, beyond all, what immutable and powerful law of creation binds him to these limits? Must Deity really reflect his products? If he created the process of a human’s bodily production of faeces, then must he reflect the fecal product???? Must he have been able to exercise going to the toilet for his creation to have that ability? Some will say that is a disgusting and gross analogy, but, to be blunt, this is how gross and disgusting the concept is when taken to its inevitable conclusion.

This is just trinitarian arbitrary rule making. They have worked too hard to make God a man. You see, even their scripture doesn’t contain these magical limits on God in any reading of the overt text. It is simply made up to make the trinity seem necessary. And scripturally it is not.

You see, for all intents and purposes, trinitarians and Jesus-as-God worshippers are idolators. And one weakness of idolators is that they tend to imbue Deity with human qualities and needs. I want a relationship, therefore God needs a relationship. The gods of old contained so many human foibles and the modern idolators impose human weaknesses onto God without any justification.


About hesedyahu

I'm a gentile living in UK, a person who has chosen to take upon himself the responsibility God has given to all gentiles. God is the greatest aspect of my life and He has blessed me with a family. I used to be a christian, but I learnt the errors of my ways. I love music. I love to play it on the instruments I can play, I love to close my eyes and feel the groove of it. I wrote my songs when I was single and not so happy and since I've been married, I haven't written as much. I guess that shows how happy and blessed I am. What else is there?
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5 Responses to God is a community – WHAT???

  1. Alice says:

    This is very good!! Really shows the foolish mindset of xtianity!!

  2. Yedidiah says:

    Who is the Mother that God had a relationship with in order to create a relationship with their son? Who is “the holy spirit” (& did God not have a holy spirit & so had to create a “holy spirit” so (“non-holy spirited?) God could have a relationship with that spirit? In Zorastrianism, there is a good God & a bad God, so do Jesus & “the devil” Christian equivalents? Did Gid want someone other than his wife & son to have a relationship with? Was God jealous of the communities & families that Zeus, Thor, & etc. have? What was there before God “created love of ownself” & a “relationship with himself”? Did he get bored with himself & therefore he had to create people & he created us to “fall” in order to have a much more interesting community? Some Christians have no problem calling a human woman named Mary as “Mother of God”, but other Christians think that is an abomination, while at the same time having no problem calling her son, God. Literally, not metaphorically as in the Tanach with the kingdoms and/or people of Judah & Israel as sons, but also as daughters or wives (even the city of Jerusalem is a daughter of God.

  3. Yedidiah says:

    If you thought only the “material world” or human community was “corrupted” (and “spiritual” was Godly) , you were wrong, since many people believe in a devil (supposedly once God’s “most trusted” Angel), evil spirits, & 1/3 of all divinely created Angels were corrupted. God must have allowed it according to that perverted hypothesis about communities & relationships? In the NT, whatever happens on earth happens in heaven (not vice-versa?). Heaven is not a safe place according to the NT character Paul, since there are evil “principalities up there” and war. So which “kingdom of God/Heaven” or “community” do Christians want on earth as it is in their “model of heaven”?

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