Spitting on Sinai

Inspired by Aaron Propp.

There are people who become christians or remain within christianity claiming that they do so because they know distinctly that the voice of God told them to do so.

Now this should be taken serious on a certain level rather than being brushed aside as a sign of schizophrenia or insanity. It should be understood what they are doing.

It should be understood that sooner or later (most of the time sooner, but unfortunately, based on my experience, you can’t expect biblical study, retention of biblical passages, or biblical scholarship from many) the christian hits upon the first books of the Bible, the books of Moses. Unfortunately a lot of times they’ve already been immersed and saturated by their devotion to a man, i.e., Jesus, but either way, they come upon the books of Moses. What is significant about the Torah law given in these books is that they warn against adding or subtracting to law, against adding commandments to the law, against listening to voices that tell you to do something other than what the Torah commands or that contradict his Torah. The contents of these warnings are valid for both Jews and Gentiles. In essence, the Torah is the foundation stone, the bedrock, the testing stone. We are supposed to test what we hear and see, even in our own hearts and minds, against the bedrock stone of Torah. That’s part of what the Sinai event was for: a stamp in history that marked the true revelation of God and his Torah, his will.

Now we have this christian who has supposedly heard the voice of God tell him to be a christian. Let’s just ask ourselves, which should come first? The voice in their head (do not discount or belittle this because for his person it is very serious)? Or the national revelation of God to millions of witnesses, kept by that nation for centuries? Which comes first, the foundational Torah, or an individual’s supposed divine revelation? The fact is that you have to test what the person heard in their head or heart with what the foundational Torah says. And are they saying the same thing? Let’s compare.

The foundational Torah says that only a certain set of domesticated animals, such as goats, bulls, and sheep, can used to get atonement in a specific ritual done by Levitical priests. The voice that prompted the individual to choose christianity said that a man or a mangod or godman butchered by Romans and killed by suffocation by means of illegal execution (illegal according to Torah) outside of Jerusalem can be an acceptable sacrifice. That’s against God’s Torah.

The Torah and the Jewish Bible say repeatedly that a man is responsible for his own sin, everyone dies for their own sin, the righteousness of one can’t be imputed to another, and the wickedness of one can’t be transferred to another person. The voice that spoke to this christian condones the notion that someone else died for our sins, that the righteousness of Jesus can be imputed to his followers. That’s against Torah.

The Torah says that its laws are forever and that they shouldn’t be added to or diminished. The voice in the head/heart of the christian says that they are just shadows and are abolished with the coming of Jesus, that the Law was just a schoolteacher or child-leader, and with the coming of Jesus, there is no longer need for the schoolteacher, i.e. the Law. That’s against Torah.

The Torah says that it is near to a person and that it can be kept, and that it is just a person’s choice that can lead them to life. The voice in the christian’s head condones the notion that the law cannot be kept, it gives a curse through any disobedience, and choice is not enough, only blood is.

I could continue the long list of discrepancies between what this voice is telling the christian to accept and what God’s foundational Law says. And sooner or later a christian who has had such an “encounter” meets with these texts and there you meet with two facts:

1) The christian has to choose which is more important: obedience to a voice and devotion to Jesus, or God’s clear word and authority. Unfortunately, God’s authority is rejected all too often, which is an essential part of idolatry and is practically rebellion.

2) By accepting the “voice” over the God-given Torah, that christian has essentially spat upon the Sinai revelation. As someone said, if anyone in the world could simply hear a voice in their head or heart or wherever, claim it is God’s voice, and follow it, even if it goes against Torah, then there was really no point in the Sinai revelation of God and his Torah.

This is why one translation of Isaiah 8:20 says the following:

“To the Torah and to the warning: if they don’t speak according to this word, then there is no light in it.”

That is why Deuteronomy 13 warns against the prophet or dreamer of dreams that says things against Torah and/or preaches idolatry. Because it all comes down to one thing:

They spit on Sinai.

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About hesedyahu

I'm a gentile living in UK, a person who has chosen to take upon himself the responsibility God has given to all gentiles. God is the greatest aspect of my life and He has blessed me with a family. I used to be a christian, but I learnt the errors of my ways. I love music. I love to play it on the instruments I can play, I love to close my eyes and feel the groove of it. I wrote my songs when I was single and not so happy and since I've been married, I haven't written as much. I guess that shows how happy and blessed I am. What else is there?
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14 Responses to Spitting on Sinai

  1. searchinmyroots says:

    Very well spoken and completely true.
    I do feel for those that are guided by “voices”, “visions”, “emotions”, humans and the like, for they are missing the KEY ingredient. To be guided by our Creator, The Almighty, and that that guide is Torah. G-d gave mankind of Book of Instructions on how to live our lives. Nothing further is necessary.

  2. Andrew says:

    God is the God of the Torah. The Torah was made for men, and not men for the Torah, and both were made by God.

    Between what two parties was the covenant at Sinai made, and what are the conditions for each?

    And did God not say to Noah, “every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.”

    And also in the Desert to Moses, saying, “these are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat,” and of other beasts He said, “you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.”

    So has the standard of righteousness changed from Noah to Moses? Or has God made unclean for the man who wanders in the desert the beast that is clean for the one who has been found righteous?

    • James Wood says:

      This is actually a good question. While I cannot know the answer for sure (and I won’t make a guess here) because this type of ordinance is a koke (law without explanation). YHVH saw fit to give this as a requirement for the Israelite and I do not question it. Another example is why did YHVH say it was acceptable for an Israelite to give a stranger an animal that had died on it’s own to eat but he couldn’t consume it himself? This actually shows again that it is a special requirement for the Israelite and not the stranger.

      I trust YHVH in this, don’t you?

      • searchinmyroots says:

        There are many laws that can be mentioned. Mixing wool and linen is another example.

        Does it have to do with righteousness? Only to the people it was given to.

        As James mentioned, we don’t question G-d’s Authority. If G-d’s says not to do something, who am I as one of His creations to deny or question it?

      • hesedyahu says:

        Great point, RootSearcher

      • Andrew says:

        Yes, I trust Him. I think it’s clear that since Israel is chosen from among the nations, an Israelite is held to a higher standard of purity. But the Israelites were given more laws than Noah not because they were more righteous, but because they were less righteous, having become a nation while in Egypt. Noah loved Hashem and trusted Him, and not only believed His word but acted on it. The Israelites were obstinate and stiff-necked, turning to idols or doubting Hashem’s word every at every step. So He gave them the Law, so that they would know He was the Lord.

      • searchinmyroots says:

        Andrew wrote – “But the Israelites were given more laws than Noah not because they were more righteous, but because they were less righteous, having become a nation while in Egypt.”

        SMR – Where do you find this is written in Torah?

        Andrew wrote – ” The Israelites were obstinate and stiff-necked, turning to idols or doubting Hashem’s word every at every step. So He gave them the Law, so that they would know He was the Lord.”
        SMR – Where is it written Hashem gave them the Law so that they would know He was the Lord?
        I think He revealed Himself at Sinai so that they would know He was the Lord. And then He presented them with the 10 Declarations where the Israelites FIRST said they would DO THEM and then said they would HEAR THEM.

    • Andrew says:

      Andrew wrote – “But the Israelites were given more laws than Noah not because they were more righteous, but because they were less righteous, having become a nation while in Egypt.”

      SMR wrote– “Where do you find this is written in Torah?”

      A- Not the Torah, but the Prophets. From Ezekiel,

      “because they had not executed Mine ordinances, but had rejected My statutes, and had profaned My sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols.
      Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and ordinances whereby they should not live;
      and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they set apart all that openeth the womb, that I might destroy them, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.”

      Andrew wrote – ” The Israelites were obstinate and stiff-necked, turning to idols or doubting Hashem’s word every at every step. So He gave them the Law, so that they would know He was the Lord.”

      SMR wrote – “Where is it written Hashem gave them the Law so that they would know He was the Lord?”

      “I am the LORD your God; walk in My statutes, and keep Mine ordinances, and do them;
      and hallow My sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.”

  3. searchinmyroots says:

    Let me see if I can better address the question.

    Andrew asked – “So has the standard of righteousness changed from Noah to Moses? Or has God made unclean for the man who wanders in the desert the beast that is clean for the one who has been found righteous?”

    In my opinion, the answer is no, the standard of righteousness has not changed. Nothing changed at all. There was though additional laws given to the Israelites only, where they can obtain righteousness where others cannot.

    Let’s use a different example. A young girl can be righteous if she honors her parents. An adult woman can also be righteous if she honor her parents.
    An adult woman can be righteous if she goes to the mikvah after her menstrual cycle. A young girl cannot if she isn’t old enough to have a menstrual cycle. Did the standard of righteousness change from a young girl to an adult woman? No, the standard it is the same. The application is what is different.

    So if one wants to obtain righteousness by abstaining from what G-d deems unclean animals that are forbidden to the Israelites, they can join the Jewish people by conversion. Then they can obtain righteousness that way. Otherwise, it doesn’t apply to them.

    Of course I don’t know why I am going into such detail to respond, because I have a feeling Andrew may not read or reply to this anyway. But I could be wrong.

    But nonetheless, if someone asks a question, they deserve an answer.

    • Andrew says:

      But is the girl less righteous because she does not go to the mikveh? She is already clean, like Noah was already clean though he ate all things, because He loved God and believed in Him. But a woman who is unclean must first wash herself before she can be clean. Because of her uncleanness, a law is given to her. In the next month she will be unclean again, while the girl who has no law will still be clean.

      Can a secular Jew be righteous by observing the law?

      • searchinmyroots says:

        Her righteousness cannot be based on her going to the mikveh because it doesn’t apply to her. Only laws that apply to her is when she can obtain righteousness by obeying them.

        Andrew wrote – “Can a secular Jew be righteous by observing the law?”

        SMR – That question doesn’t make sense to me. A secular Jew does not observe the Law. If he observes the Law, then he is observant.

      • searchinmyroots says:

        I thought of a better reply. As in true Jewish fashion, I’ll answer your question with a question.

        Is a man less righteous because he does not go to the mikveh?

  4. Butibo says:

    Hello,The person that dies for his sin is the one who doesnot repent,but if you repent you need atonment,like the sacrifical laws,so these laws and all the torah laws applied until the coming of Jesus but after that God changed the covenant.Why? Because, the old covenant was broken by its followers.JEREMIAH 31:31″‘The time is coming’,declares the lord,”when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.32It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt,because they broke my covenant,though I was a husband to them” declares the Lord.
    What about Isaiah 53.I recomend you to read it .but,for my case,let me show you a verse from it.ISAIAH 53:1O “Yet it was the LORD’S Will to crush him and cause him to suffer,and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering,”
    now,you tell me who is it talking about?It is talking about a man being a guilt offering and that man is Jesus.AMEN.

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